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success equals.... what?
poohgome
5/11/2008 10:09 pm
There is absolutely no research correlation between success and family background, race, national origin, financial status, or educational accomplishments, and that is ATTITUDE (Harry Wong).
OwenMcCaffrey
201 posts

5/12/2008 2:07 am

Success is subjective and means different things for different people, and indeed people often change their ideas of success as they mature, grow older or go through different life experiences.

Success is defined as "achieving ones goals" so necessarily if your goals are set low (or easy) then success is easy and if they are high (of difficult) then so is success to obtain.

While for one person it might be a promotion, becoming a grandparent, marriage, financial achievement or graduation...for another it could quite easily be just raising their children to 18 alive, getting a low-paid job, living simply, helping someone out, being true to themself or getting (a) job.

My perceptions of success have changed over the years to now (I am 27) and I have progressively lowered my targets in order than I can feel more 'successful' in everyday life. I used to chase after 'impossible dreams' but found that it left me miserable so now I live things a day or week at a time and a person at a time and find that i fell much more success and happiness.

If I start to define success by what other people think I should achieve...then I have already failed.

sixpack
908 posts 

5/12/2008 4:55 am

Sucess is something you can study on, and when information meet motivation is equal to inspiration! Sucesss is when preperaton meet opportunity!

korn2020
1477 posts

5/12/2008 5:21 am

Success comes with Hard work and never quiting,even when the going
gets hard. So yes, as you said ....Your attitude plays a big part.

HELIODORUS
171 posts

5/12/2008 5:50 am

Success

is the describtion of achieving a self setted target.

Bu we never set our targets alone, we are influented from our family, friends, inviroment, social background, race, national origing, financial abilities.

So we set targets in dependance of we have arround and in us.
So many times we set higher as we wish us in true, or higher as we can ever go because of a fault icon from the reality.

So success is dependet from the invorement in so many ways, that we can not see only on our will to succeed.

The I and MY WILL theories are catastrophale for the person it self but more as that for the societys which reproduces that.

HUMANS are social beeings.

Carpe_Diem
276 posts 

5/12/2008 6:17 pm

$100,000,000=success

Lisa_1004
7 posts 

5/12/2008 11:10 pm

I personally don't think success = money $$$$$. People can earn this, inherit, marry into or just get lucky.

SUCCESS IN LIFE = HAPPINESS

Do what makes you Happy! <==== Priceless

OwenMcCaffrey
201 posts

5/13/2008 3:56 am

Um, I think there is definately a correlation between levels of material success such as in career, education and financial, and family/ethinic background.

I don't see many Sudanese with PhDs, BMW's or working as CEO's.

Sad but true - it is all about OPPORTUNITIES.

But remember that this is when they are judged using Western standards and levels of success. If we look at non-material measures of success they are likely to be just as successful.

OwenMcCaffrey
201 posts

5/14/2008 5:20 am

Success is fleeting...'tis but a thought and a moment.

madkore
361 posts 

5/14/2008 1:42 pm

I have to disagree.

Like Owen said, success is often about opportunity.

As a former teacher, I saw many students who had already given up by the time they were 12.

Dad's in prison.
Mom is addicted to drugs.
All their uncles and cousins are in gangs or prison.
There is no money, they come to school every morning starving and eat their free meals like ravenous wolves.
They are wearing rags and hand me downs.
They have no jacket when it is cold and raining.
They are often in foster homes, or are living with other relatives.
They have no computer, no internet access.
They have no access to doctors or medical care.
They have never been to a museum or Art gallery.
They have never been to a library.
They can't read, write, or do math.
They are surrounded by gangs, drugs, and death every day.
They have no hope, no dreams, no faith.

What opportunities do they realistically have?

Yes, some will make it out alive, but what are the percentages compared to a well to do child in the US.

Living in a good crime free neighborhood, with No drug dealers on every corner.
No gangs, so they can walk to school without being Killed.
There are areas in L.A. where kids can't even walk directly to school, and have to take detours to avoid being challenged and shot.
Both parents are alive, available, and Not in prison.
They have their own home computer.
And are computer savvy.
They have had access to medical care.
They are Not Starving.
They have been exposed to Art, museums, and galleries.
They are happy, and have hopes and dreams.

It is NOT just attitude!

Unless you have been in their shoes, or seen the way they live, you have no right to pass judgement on them.

May I recommend the movie "Boyz in the Hood".

This movie shows that some decisions are right, some decisions are wrong, and some decisions are made for you, and you have no control over some of the things that happen to you.

If someone drives by, and shoots your cousin, who is sitting 2 feet from you, in the Head, and you have his brains and skull splattered all over you, you don't think that has an detrimental effect on a young Child?

Yes, you should get up and do the best you can, but some children are already so beat down by the time they are 10 or 12, they have already given up on life.

Sad, but True.

madkore
361 posts 

5/14/2008 2:38 pm

One Final Note........

I bet Big Money that all the so called "researchers" are middle class to wealthy, White males, who have never ever lived in the Ghetto or Barrio, never had to deal with Gangs every day, and aren't in areas that are ravaged daily by Guns, Drugs, and Gangs.

HELIODORUS
171 posts

5/15/2008 1:27 am

    Quoting madkore:
    I have to disagree.

    Like Owen said, success is often about opportunity.

    As a former teacher, I saw many students who had already given up by the time they were 12.

    Dad's in prison.
    Mom is addicted to drugs.
    All their uncles and cousins are in gangs or prison.
    There is no money, they come to school every morning starving and eat their free meals like ravenous wolves.
    They are wearing rags and hand me downs.
    They have no jacket when it is cold and raining.
    They are often in foster homes, or are living with other relatives.
    They have no computer, no internet access.
    They have no access to doctors or medical care.
    They have never been to a museum or Art gallery.
    They have never been to a library.
    They can't read, write, or do math.
    They are surrounded by gangs, drugs, and death every day.
    They have no hope, no dreams, no faith.

    What opportunities do they realistically have?

    Yes, some will make it out alive, but what are the percentages compared to a well to do child in the US.

    Living in a good crime free neighborhood, with No drug dealers on every corner.
    No gangs, so they can walk to school without being Killed.
    There are areas in L.A. where kids can't even walk directly to school, and have to take detours to avoid being challenged and shot.
    Both parents are alive, available, and Not in prison.
    They have their own home computer.
    And are computer savvy.
    They have had access to medical care.
    They are Not Starving.
    They have been exposed to Art, museums, and galleries.
    They are happy, and have hopes and dreams.

    It is NOT just attitude!

    Unless you have been in their shoes, or seen the way they live, you have no right to pass judgement on them.

    May I recommend the movie "Boyz in the Hood".

    This movie shows that some decisions are right, some decisions are wrong, and some decisions are made for you, and you have no control over some of the things that happen to you.

    If someone drives by, and shoots your cousin, who is sitting 2 feet from you, in the Head, and you have his brains and skull splattered all over you, you don't think that has an detrimental effect on a young Child?

    Yes, you should get up and do the best you can, but some children are already so beat down by the time they are 10 or 12, they have already given up on life.

    Sad, but True.
i do agree seldom with anyone.

But madkorea set here a point.

Success can be measured for each one separatly. It doesnt exist any general rule.
It depends from starting point, in which family you get born and continues in to the lifecircumstances, the personal talents, abilitys.

Never judge with your own criteria, see yourself in to the place of the others and accept that you can achieve only what you see, what you wish you, what it is able to achieve and how many energy you want to invest in to.

And about the

RickyMartinJr
123 posts 

6/5/2008 7:43 am

Success? Just look at me.

jejudo1

6/9/2008 8:23 pm

I agree...the rich can be unhappy and the poor can be happy. BUT, having said that, money helps in the happiness department.

OwenMcCaffrey
201 posts

6/10/2008 12:40 am

Money can't buy happiness^^

RickyMartinJr
123 posts 

6/11/2008 8:49 am

It is absolutely true Money can't buy Happiness.

But, Money can give you Happiness.

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