Assumptions and Lies...
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One guy wrote in his e-mail "that last time I assumed something I found myself in handcuffs in Mexico"...i always try to go with the saying, “never assume anything…” and not to lie... Where you do draw the lines about lying? It seems like issues of lying are mentioned over and over...how one lied to another and vice versa...it’s he said, she said... Why is that YOUR lying is okay but when feel that others lie about YOU, YOU’re being attacked and they are out to get YOU??? Do YOU forget that you lied? Do YOU only see other people lying but not YOURS??? Before ranting and complaining about others who lie to YOU, see if YOU lied first of all... |
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7/11/2007 6:12 am |
Sabine, I don't lie............ Wait, I'm sorry, I just did..... take care Nick
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7/11/2007 9:21 am |
"When my love swears that she is made of truth, I do believe her though I know she lies, That she might think me some untutored youth, Unlearned in the world's false subtleties. Thus vainly thinking that she thinks me young, Although she knows my days are past the best, Simply I credit her false-speaking tongue: On both sides thus is simple truth suppressed: But wherefore says she not she is unjust? And wherefore say not I that I am old? O! love's best habit is in seeming trust, And age in love, loves not to have years told: Therefore I lie with her, and she with me, A nd in our faults by lies we flattered be." Whaddya lookin at hah?
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7/11/2007 12:23 pm |
Sabeeneth, I think we are all human, and as much as each of us strives to be none of us are perfect. I do everything that I can do to not lie. And I do put up with alot. But the one thing that I don't put up with is lieing. Our word is the only real bond that each of us has. And I think when you lie, you cheapen that greatly.
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7/12/2007 4:26 am |
dear, sabin... I think we all lie somehow..to someone or to ourselves... But just like you said, it's always hard to accept If* someone lies to me or you.. That's the challenge of human's relationship... Even for the White lies,...We tend to do it for protecting something or for someone but it also could turn to bad result sometimes...yeah, we all lies.. But I think there's a deal in all this story.. It's like you save money on your bank account and it becomes a lot and you become rich..and have great profits of life. I think Lying does make same result and make us feel the great HURTs and domages in the heart maybe? And I am sure we all know it..Lie makes another lie..and one day it comes just in front of our nose..And it'll make some troubles... like Mr. kitten. pinoccio... 
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7/12/2007 3:40 pm |
Types of lies Lying by misleading occurs when a person tells a true statement, but with the intent of making someone believe an untruth. An example would be a person who knocks over a vase, and, when asked "Did you do this?", replies "The cat was playing around on the shelves." The cat, indeed, was doing so, but was not the cause of the accident. Note that the reply did not answer the direct question. Direct questions of this type demand only "yes" or "no" responses. Lying by omission is where a person omits an important fact, deliberately leaving another person with a misconception. This includes failures to correct pre-existing misconceptions. ] Morality of lying The philosophers Saint Augustine, as well as Thomas Aquinas and Immanuel Kant, prohibited all lying. According to all three, there are no circumstances in which one may lie. One must be murdered, suffer torture, or endure any other hardship, rather than lie, even if the only way to protect oneself is to lie. Each of these philosophers gave several arguments against lying, all compatible with each other. Among the more important arguments are: Lying is a perversion of the natural faculty of speech, the natural end of which is to communicate the thoughts of the speaker. When one lies, one undermines trust in society. Some philosophers (notably utilitarians) have argued that lying is not prohibited in certain circumstances, such as when telling a lie might prevent a clearly greater harm e.g. save an innocent life. Some philosophers have also argued that paternalistic lying (lying for the supposed good of those lied to) is justified, even if it violates their autonomy. An example is lying to someone terminally ill by being unduly optimistic about his prognosis, on the grounds that the shock might effectively shorten his life further. ] Lying in the Bible The Old Testament and New Testament of the Bible both contain statements that God cannot lie (Num 23:19, Ps 89:35, Hab. 2:3, Heb 6:13-1  .The Old Testament adds that God hates a lying tongue (Prov 6:16-19, Ps. 5:6) and forbids men to lie (Lev 19:11, Pr. 14:5, Pr. 30:6, Zep 3:13 ) or to take refuge in lies (Isa 28:15, Da 11:27). Most famously, lying is forbidden in the Ten Commandments: "Thou shalt not bear false witness" (Exodus 20:2-17,Deuteronomy 5:6-21) a specific reference to perjury, but taken to have wider application. Old Testament accounts of lying include: The Hebrew midwives lied to the king of Egypt rather than carry out his order to kill all male Hebrew babies; the midwives did this because they “feared God” (Exodus 1:15–20). Rahab lied to the king of Jericho about hiding the Hebrew spies (Joshua 2:4–5) and was not killed with those who were disobedient because of her faith (Hebrews 11:31). Delilah repeatedly accused Samson of lying to her (Jg. 16:10, 13) as she interrogated him about the source of his strength. When Samuel had to go to Bethlehem in order to anoint David for the kingship, he was afraid that Saul might kill him if the people realised his purpose and their word got back to Saul. God directed Samuel to take an animal and to go and make a sacrifice at Bethlehem, an occasion at which David's family would be present. (1 Samuel 16:2) In the New Testament, Jesus refers to the Devil as the father of lies (John 8:44) and Paul commands "Do not lie to one another" (Colossians 3:9, Cf.Leviticus 19:11). Jesus would seem to tell a lie to the Apostles in John 7:8-10 John 7:8-10, when He says "Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come," but then later on goes up to attend the same festival. Schopenhauer, in On the Basis of Morality, §17, asserted that lying is permissible at times, quoting this as an example. It is however consistent with the context that Jesus simply changed his mind, deciding only later on to go up to the festival. While some see these examples as support for the idea that lying can be justifiable as the lesser of two evils (see above section), others (Davids et al 1996) disagree, arguing that the correct Biblical response is to pray that God will provide a way to avoid the greater evil without lying. ] Etiquette of lying Although lies are normally condemned, it is also normally believed that some lies are worse than other lies. In particular, lies that are believed to be harmless lies are often called "white lies" or "fibs". Mark Twain popularized a summary hierarchy of lies attributed to Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." Augustine divided lies into eight kinds, listed in order of severity: Lies in religious teaching. Lies that harm others and help no one. Lies that harm others and help someone. Lies told for the pleasure of lying. Lies told to "please others in smooth discourse". Lies that harm no one and that help someone. Lies that harm no one and that save someone's life. Lies that harm no one and that save someone's "purity". Importantly, Augustine held that "jocose lies" are not, in fact, lies. Thomas Aquinas divided lies into three kinds: the useful, the humorous and the malicious. All are sinful according to Aquinas. Humorous and useful lies, however, are venial sins. Malicious lies are mortal sins. Finally, Mark Twain noted the universal complicity with and desirability of polite lies: "None of us could live with a habitual truth teller; but, thank Goodness, none of us has to." ] Paradox of lying Within any scenario where dualistic (e.g. yes/no, black/white) answers are always given, a person whom we know is consistently lying would paradoxically be a source of truth. Many such paradoxes exist, e.g. the liar paradox, commonly expressed as "This sentence is a lie", or, "This sentence is false". The so-called Epimenides paradox - "All Cretans are liars", as stated by Epimenides the Cretan — is a forerunner of this, though its status as a paradox is disputed. A class of related logic puzzles are known as knights and knaves, in which the goal is to determine who of a group of people is lying and who is telling the truth. ] Psychology of lying The capacity to lie is noted early and nearly universally in human development. Evolutionary psychology is concerned with the theory of mind which people employ to simulate another's reaction to their story and determine if a lie will be believable. The most commonly cited milestone, what is known as Machiavellian intelligence, is at the age of about four and a half years, when children begin to be able to lie convincingly. Before this, they seem simply unable to comprehend that anyone doesn't see the same view of events that they do — and seem to assume that there is only one point of view — their own — that must be integrated into any given story. Young children learn from experience that stating an untruth can avoid punishment for misdeeds, before they develop the theory of mind necessary to understand why it works. In this stage of development, children will sometimes tell fantastic and unbelievable lies, because they lack the conceptual framework to judge whether a statement is believable or even to understand the concept of believability. When children first learn how lying works, they lack the moral understanding of when to refrain from doing it. It takes years of watching people lie and the results of lies to develop a proper understanding. Propensity to lie varies greatly between children, some doing so habitually and others being habitually honest. Habits in this regard are likely to change into early adulthood. Some view children as on the whole more prone to lie than adults. Others argue that the amount of lying stays the same, but adults lie about different things. Certainly adult lying tends to be more sophisticated. A lot of this judgment depends on whether one counts tactful untruths, social insincerity, political rhetoric, and other standard adult behaviors as lying. ] Deception and lies in other species The capacity to lie has also been claimed to be possessed by non-humans in language studies with Great Apes. One famous case was that of Koko the gorilla; confronted by her handlers after a tantrum in which she had torn a steel sink out of its moorings, she signed in American Sign Language, "cat did it," pointing at her tiny kitten. It is unclear if this was a joke or a genuine attempt at blaming her tiny pet. Deceptive body language, such as feints that mislead as to the intended direction of attack or flight, is observed in many species including wolves. A mother bird deceives when it pretends to have a broken wing to divert the attention of a perceived predator -- including unwitting humans -- from the eggs in its nest to itself. ] Lie detection The question of whether lies can reliably be detected through non-verbal means is a subject of particular controversy. Polygraph "lie detector" machines measure the physiological stress a subject endures in a number of measures while he/she gives statements or answers questions. Spikes in stress are purported to indicate lying. The accuracy of this method is widely disputed, and in several well-known cases it was proven to have been deceived. Nonetheless, it remains in use in many areas, primarily as a method for eliciting confessions or employment screening. Polygraph results are not admissible as court evidence and are generally perceived to be pseudo science. Additionally, polygraph administrators will typically not give one to someone that understands how they work as that allows them to manipulate their physiological reactions and skew the results.[citation needed] Various truth drugs have been proposed and used anecdotally, though none are considered very reliable. The CIA attempted to find a universal "truth serum" in the MK-ULTRA project, but it was largely a fiasco.[citation needed] Facial microexpressions have been shown to expose lying reliably, according to Paul Ekman's Diogenes Project. Namely, a tiny flash of a "distress" facial expression, though difficult to see with the untrained eye, may give away when a person is lying. Verbal distancing language is considered an indicator of lying. More recently, neuroscientists have found that lying activates completely different brain structures during fMRI scans, which may lead to a more accurate (if impractical) method of lie detection. Brain fingerprinting is a related way of using the brain to determine if a person is telling the truth. ] Representations of lie Carlo Collodi's Pinocchio is a wooden puppet often led into trouble by his propension to lie. His nose grows with every lie. A long nose has thus become a caricature of liars. In the manga and anime "One Piece", one of the main characters Ussop lies and tells tales regularly — and has an exceptionally long nose. ] Covering up Lies Sir Walter Scott's famous couplet "Oh, what a tangled web we weave / When first we practice to deceive!" describes the often difficult procedure of covering up a lie so that it is not detected at some future time. In "Human, All Too Human" philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche suggested that those who refrain from lying may do so only because of the difficulty involved in maintaining the lie. This is consistent with his general philosophy that divides or ranks people according to strength and ability. Thus some people tell the truth only out of weakness. ] Evolution, game theory, and the lie Meanwhile, while most human societies have developed moral, ethical or religious codes prohibiting lying it would appear that other animals on this planet engage in deception quite regularly, and that the deceit has been the result of and promoted by all the usual evolutionary forces. ] Deception by predators and prey Specifically, predation often employs deception, as does avoidance of predation. A predator is deceptive if in the process of acquiring prey it conceals its location, uses camouflage capabilities of its skin and appendages, or dangles an appendage as a bait. A prey is deceptive if it uses camouflage to conceal itself or make it seem to be larger than it is or seem to be another species that is poisonous or distasteful to the predator (compare viceroy butterfly to monarch butterfly). Such capabilities to deceive likely developed very gradually during evolution and likely began as very small changes in the appearance or behavior of some organisms. As the changes brought advantage to the organism it may therefore have increased in number due to that advantage, and due to continued pressure from a predator or scarcity of prey the advantage locked in and became a trait of that creature. ] Game Theory of Evolution This incorporation of deception into schemes of evolutionary advantage is a concept treated in the study of Game Theory of Evolution. Game Theory of Evolution assumes that creatures are often in resource conflict or in predator/prey relationships with each other and develop strategies for advantage gain or loss reduction. ] Innate or reasoned behaviour? These strategies may or may not be the result of some reasoning capabilities of the creature. In some cases the environment interacting with the way a creature has evolved so far creates the strategies for the creature without it needing any reasoning faculties. In other cases, there may be a combination of some reasoning and some environmentally formed deceptive abilities. The crocodile seems to know that if it drifts slowly, like a log, towards a wildebeest drinking at the edge of the river the wildebeest will not be alarmed and run away. The crocodile both resembles a log, having been shaped that way by evolutionary forces, and has some reasoning faculties. ] So-called animal "cunning" Over eons this ability to deceive became built into and a natural part of many species. Humans have used the word "cunning" to represent this ability in the non-human animal world. ] Deception and "moral" behaviour among humans "Sub-human behavior" is of course just a value judgment. The case remains that deception in general, and lying in particular, are likely a natural and normal behavior for Homo sapiens. People lie to attain advantage or to escape loss. This is no different from being a predator or a prey, except that Homo sapiens are expected to know right and wrong and animals are not. Thus, being honest in spite of a perceived opportunity to gain via a lie may be considered a particularly human behavior. Possibly this could be considered simply a longer-term strategy of gain, i.e. the larger gain from being regarded as trustworthy and/or ethical, which would require a fairly developed sense of abstract thought to grasp. Whaddya lookin at hah?
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7/12/2007 5:03 pm |
I tell myself Im good looking all the time but I might be lying....lol KORN 
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7/12/2007 6:24 pm |
nick, i thought i was the funnyyyy one...hehe sabine
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7/12/2007 6:26 pm |
BlueDol... awwwwwwww, i missed your poems... sabine
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7/12/2007 6:30 pm |
Sabeeneth, I think we are all human, and as much as each of us strives to be none of us are perfect. I do everything that I can do to not lie. And I do put up with alot. But the one thing that I don't put up with is lieing. Our word is the only real bond that each of us has. And I think when you lie, you cheapen that greatly. yes, i think i know what you mean... lying is definitely big turn off... thanks, sabine
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7/12/2007 6:36 pm |
coucou, yes, this post is actually in response to another post/s that i just got tired of reading over and over... complaining and complaining about others lying when that person seem to be the one that lies... but i'm sure (s)he doesn't feel that way though... and i agree with you...lies tend to bring more lies and/or you've lied so much you just believe in them... do you remember the aesop's story, "the boy who cried wolf"? thanks for your comments, sabine
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7/12/2007 6:37 pm |
BlueDol... wow, i think i really need to reread that over and over...hehe thanks sabine
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7/12/2007 6:38 pm |
korn, welcome backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkKKKKKKKKKK i missed yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..haha maybe i need to try your approach...haha sabine
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7/12/2007 10:06 pm |
Hahaha....go figure 
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7/17/2007 12:11 am |
two2tangoo, yupppers...  sabine
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7/17/2007 6:22 am |
umm well lying has it day, remember a boy who look after sheep start lying about the wolf coming, one day the truth come n no -one believe them. Why not been truthful, there is nothing wrong been true person. The truth is out there, truth rulez all.
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7/23/2007 6:31 am |
sab where are youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu....
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8/5/2007 7:50 pm |
Sabeeneth, I think we are all human, and as much as each of us strives to be none of us are perfect. I do everything that I can do to not lie. And I do put up with alot. But the one thing that I don't put up with is lieing. Our word is the only real bond that each of us has. And I think when you lie, you cheapen that greatly. If I start a relationship with a lady and she tells these little "white" lies or lies of omission, we are through. I have painfully learned that women who do that will also cheat.
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8/15/2007 8:04 am |
We have to condemn those people who been a freak!! This freak alwayz want to make trouble in kff, why don't the webmaster look at this thing. If they are friend with the web master I will sure condemn all of them!!
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8/31/2007 10:33 am |
lying is a part of life...get over it. men lie. women lie. it's the dishonesty of not being truthful that is what's wrong.
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9/2/2007 3:57 pm |
I love Sabine! You look hot in your pics
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9/5/2007 7:01 am |
Dear Sabine noona. Uhmmm.. Lie.. I know that lie is very bad but, I think we're are always face to face lie So, Sabine noona! I prayer for you. I hope you're feeling get better. From. Daniel˘˝
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9/13/2007 4:05 pm |
umm well lying has it day, remember a boy who look after sheep start lying about the wolf coming, one day the truth come n no -one believe them. Why not been truthful, there is nothing wrong been true person. The truth is out there, truth rulez all. i totally remember the aesop's fable...the boy who cried wolf... and yes, truth will always come out...somehow... sabine
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9/13/2007 4:07 pm |
dear daniel, any prayer coming from you means a lot to me... hope you're doing well... sabine noona
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