Obama v. McCain
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7/31/2008 10:28 pm |
I think Obama is gonna win by a Land slide...However he won't have my vote. Obama has not answered any of my questions. I have send several questions to both candidate via their web site. I was not satisfied with the answers they gave. Neither one of them have a plan that do anything but continue with the way things always been. They talk about spending money for this and that. What needs to happen is the American People need to hold Congress Accountable for spending too much. They need to come together and compromise. Congress is about to take off for the whole month of August with-out any action on Energy Prices. I am disgusted with the whole bunch Republicans and Democrats !!! KORN 
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7/31/2008 11:46 pm |
Bintu !Ur smile = 1 million Korean Won. hehe. bt
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8/1/2008 6:48 am |
Has anyone seen the movie Man of the Year with Robin Williams? I think if one canidate was just half of what he was in the movie, then I know who i would vote for. I don't like any of them, I really do not like Obama.
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8/1/2008 1:12 pm |
that's why america needs the independents to step up.(and not jesse ventura types) p.s. i think your cheekiness is just perfect.  your friend blue
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8/1/2008 3:04 pm |
Obama will not win, I ve been telling you guys for months now. Sheen, you dummy, 1 million won is only $1000. Here is my comparison of two men: obama grew up hearing that America is evil - his mother was a known leftist who denounced america every chance she had. If you hear obama's unrehearsed interviews, he mmms and ahs and stutters too much. he is not as intelligent as people make him out to be. mccain not only is proud of his country, he risked his life fighting in Vietnam war. He volunteered to stay in POW camp for years just to be with his men. That s not SMALL, in my book. I ve seen mccain go against his own party and vote on things that HE believes not what his partyline is. He has a lot more integrity than some people make him out to have. Am I a Republican? no. But as I grow older, I m becoming more conservative in my political point of view. I agree with the Republicans when they say we should drill in the coastal US and state parks. I believe that Democrats are happy with the $4 - $5 a galloon gasoline. They believe that this will lead to conservation and change of habit. I say, LeT ME be the determiner of that. Don't force me to change my habit by artificially keeping the oil price high. IT s damned socialism.
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8/1/2008 3:24 pm |
McCain was a naval aviator on a bombing mission against the north Vietnamese and was shot down, badly injured from the ejection from his plane and then captured.
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8/1/2008 6:29 pm |
I hate to say this... but I kinda miss Hillary!!!!!!!!!
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8/2/2008 6:12 pm |
Yes, I miss Hilary too. Whatever is going on between Obama and McCain seems boring... bleh.
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8/2/2008 6:39 pm |
I thought the ad was pretty funny... I thought the highlight of the ad wasn t Paris Hilton, it was Obama's quote: Obama, "We are who we are Waiting For"... lol... I wouldn t be caught dead saying that, would you?
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8/3/2008 12:34 am |
Only reply here I truly relate to is bluemango. This country needs third(or even fourth) parties as official political parties. I don't know why everyone is overly occupied with McCain and Obama because there are other independent parties in this election. If we take some time to do some homework in regarding this years election, we can understand the political goals of various parties(including the independent parties). That is what we should do rather than simply depending on this two party dictatorship. I'm neither voting for McCain nor Obama(there really isn't that much different between these two) but rather voting for Ralph Nader representing Green Party. "If I could lead you into the promised land, i could lead you back out again."
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8/3/2008 9:36 am |
Ralph Nader: A 74 year old Arab/Lebanese-American attorney, author, lecturer, political activist. Independent political party, affiliated as non-member to Green and Reform. Born in Connecticut, his parents were Maronite Catholic immigrants from Lebanon and their native language Arabic. Nader speaks 5 other languages, graduated from Princeton and then from Harvard law (Wikipedia). His resume of political activities looks impressive.
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8/3/2008 12:25 pm |
if it weren t for Ralph Nader who took Gore's votes away, GW Bush would never have taken office. he doesn t stand a chance. election is won and lost on money. he has far less to operate with. he will just take Obama's votes away. for the record, I am not voting at all.
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8/3/2008 12:41 pm |
Dear bintijua. Good information. I was bit shocked about your knowledge of Ralph Nader. lol It was from google. lol Awhile ago, Number5Lock wrote a blog titled "The plitical process" which activated lots of interesting replies. I am going to paste my reply to him here since it is still relevant in relation to Ralph Nader and Green Party. As everyone here made good replies and I would like to reply to some here, I think it is only fair to reply to Number5Lock primarily. I agree with him on the fact that we should urge people to go out and vote. And I also agree with him in regard to the fact that "general election will be big letdown" when it comes to official candidates of both Republican Party and Democratic Party. However, I want to concentrate on my disagreement with him in regard to his view on "third party" which he claim that he doesnt' want to bring himself vote as it is "protest vote" and "waste vote". Number5Lock have every freedom to not vote for any independent party and it is none of my personal business. However, his generalization that voting for independent party is simply a "protest vote" is something I can't embrace. If I understood him correctly when he call it "protest vote", voting simply to protest from voting for Republican Party and Democratic Party. In other word, it is simply voting against rather than voting for. I don't think voting for independent party is anyway "protest vote" more than voting for Democratic Party because there is undeniable custom of voting for Democratic Party as "lesser evil" and major purpose is to "drive the Republicans out of the office." Even during 2004 election, one of popular catchphrase were "A.B.B." which stands for "Anybody But Bush". And since majority of mainstream voters who have no political knowledge nor consciousness and the main purpose of voting is to fulfill "the duty as citizens", they first go out and vote without even knowing the existence of independent party and their only options are Republican Party and Democratic Party. And as I have stated earlier, Democratic Party often becomes favorable choice under the logic of "lesser evilism". And this isn't simply the mainstream audience who have no political consciousness but even among the leftist camp, Democratic Party often becomes favorable choice as "protest vote" to "drive the Republicans out of the office." And when I say "leftist" I'm not talking about the supporter of Democratic Party such as Al Franken, but I'm actually talking about the actual radicals. Both 2000 and 2004 elections were mobilized by collective supports from leftists and progressives for either Al Gore or John Kerry as favorable "lesser evil" to "drive the Republicans out of the office" despite the fact that there were also Green Party who was far left party among the candidate parties. But if we are to consider the fact that Republican Party and Democratic Party doesn't represent the right wing and left wing parties in American political spectrum as some believe but rather they represent as far-right and center-right wing parties which are (to use Green activist Howie Hawkins' term) both "corporate parties". And sweetpepe is right when he said that "there is a group of very wealthy powerful MEN" who "has the main influences on what president decide to do." (I actually identified such network of power structure as "ruling class" in one of sweetpepe's previous blog which he replied by saying that it sound too "socialist". But it still is true) In this regard, it is undeniable that such network of major corporations will play very crucial role in relation to establishing policy making regardless of whether ruling party is either Democratic Party or Republican Party. This year's election also shows us when major insurance companies who have previously supported Republican Party is now all supporting Democratic Party this year by funding both Clinton and Obama.[Note: This was written before Obama defeated Clinton] Their network with Democratic Party will help them play the influential role of twisting the policy of universal health care which have been one of major agenda for Democratic Party this year. Anyway let's get back to the issue of "lesser evilism" and "protest vote" in relation to Democratic Party and independent party such as Green Party. Liberal magazine such as The Nation does constant support for Democratic Party as instrument to "drive the Republicans out of the office" and openly denouncing progressive Green Party as being dividers among "us progressives". Common manifesto is that "we" must unite to "drive the Republicans out of the office" and take "our" country back. This is as if Democratic Party is part of progressive camp. I agree that some people might take "protest vote" by voting for independent party. However, I think that represents small minority in comparison to actual "protest vote" for "lesser evil" party that both mainstream audience and some of actual leftist voters make. And it is also true that majority of supporters of Green Party are those who have strong political consciousness that they won't vote for Green Party as simple "protest". If I'm not mistaken, there are two independent political parties who have their presidential candidates running along with Barack Obama of Democratic Party and John McCain of Republican Party this year. And they are Ralph Nader of Green Party and Roger Calero of Socialist Workers Party. I won't tell anyone who to vote but if anyone wants my advice or my opinion, this year I am going "Green". Ralph Nader have been politically active independently for long time and he have also played major roles in passing certain legislations. He have been tireless critique of what he calls "corporate welfare" system of our far-right and center-right political parties in favor of support for democracy and citizen movements. According to Harvard political scientist Barry Burden's study on National Election Survey data: "Minor Party in the 2000 Presidential Election" in 2001, only 9% of Nader supporters have actually voted for him while 50% of Nader supporters didn't vote at all. 26% Nader supporters voted for Al Gore as "lesser evil" to George W. Bush and 19% of Nader supporters voted for Bush as "lesser evil" to Gore. Study concluded that if all the actual Nader supporters and Green Party supporters voted for him, Ralph Nader would have won the election in 2000 with 54 millions vote over Bush's 43 millions and Gore's 38 millions of votes. However, fate continued through the exploitation of "lesser evilism" and "Anybody But Bush" in 2004 election with unfavorable war(or invasion) of Iraq. Funny thing is both cases Bush won. So my conclusion here is triple. One is that independent party such as Green Party is fully capable of winning the election(it still is difficult task) thus voting for independent party isn't simply "waste vote". And "protest vote" simply doesn't work. Not to mention unlike Number5Lock said, most of "protest votes" are on Democratic Party rather than on independent party. As sweetpepe said I too am sick of this two party system that we have in this country. Our political spectrum need to be expanded in full wider camp from right to left and from conservative to progressive and to establish political party that is equivalent to Europe's Social Democratic Party or Labor Party. And victory of independent political party can develop American political landscape. And I also don't believe simple parliamentary establishment alone isn't good enough. As korn said, "Most of Americans don't pay attention." However, I personally feel that after 9/11 and invasion of Iraq, many Americans have significantly changed with greater political consciousness - both in terms of right wing and left wing. I will finally conclude with what Malcom X said. "You can't start a revolution with sleeping people. You have to wake people up first." This is very true. "If I could lead you into the promised land, i could lead you back out again."
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8/4/2008 8:13 pm |
Je te, Well, the course that I am presently enrolled in promotes political awareness and activism, and I did come across Ralph Nader while researching for a paper. Although I have not thoroughly read your long post yet, I do agree with you on your last paragraph about many Americans becoming more aware of and paying attention to our nation's political situation especially after 911 and because of the current war in Iraq.
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 8/11/2008 7:01 am |
The American System is majorly skewed towards two major parties dominating. This is because the American presidential voting system is a First-Past-The-Post (FPTP) System. This means that people are heavily biased towards picking a candidate which already has some popular support rather than what they truly believe. Over time this trends towards two major parties forming and all other votes being "wasted votes". Because the presidential system produces an effective "two horse race" this has a flow on to the congress where people are discouraged from voting for a minor party because the President will simply veto any of their legislation he doesn't like. This then reinforces the two main parties that also contest the presidency. Is there any solution? Yes. Changing the presidental vote to an Instant Runn-off System "IRO" where voters are allowed to rank all their desired candidates for the presidency and congress would mean that people could register a vote for their favourite candidate whilst still supporting the main party candidate they liked just in case at ranking 2 or 3 and so on. Whenever you have wasted votes on minor parties these parties will ALWAYS be pushed to the margins and never return until they are brought back by way of rank-order voting.
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8/14/2008 10:48 pm |
Go Obama~ GoRealLA~
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8/20/2008 5:03 pm |
McCain ahead by 5 points in the poll. Obama s done.
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